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January 20, 2009

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I really like this idea. My only concern is disputes of hundreds if not thousands of pending land issues through out our island.
I know that JT has been a big part of these land issues for many years. I am very worried that a lot of our people who have land, but very little education will suffer if not given true representation for the true value of what they are worth.....

This is scary to say the least. Foreigner investors bring their money from outside, and you can bet that the revenues they generate will flow right back out.

I don't believe that trickle down economics works. Most likely only the few, and already wealthy Palauans will benefit. Hopefully the newly elected politicians think about the future of Palau, and not themselves only.

Increased foreign investment equals more foreigners. At some point there will be more foreigners on island that Palauans. This will put enormous pressure on the culture. Change is coming, for better or for worse only the future can tell.

Still, I can't help to think that we should fix the sewer first before anything can happen. How many times a day do you drive down a street and smell the stench of raw sewage. I know its not a nice subject, but seriously.....the infrastructure has to be there first. I would say a minimum condition put on foreign investors should be...we'll give you incentives to invest, but you have to give us something in return too.


There is still a bottleneck to get into Palau because investors get to be "screened" by the people in power and they make the deals up front to get their share.

Open up Palau is a very good slogan, I would suppose if you were on the receiving end of the benefits while my honto boys are still without jobs or training provided by so called investors.

You should have seen the f*&%ing clowns at the inaugural ball wearing their festive malaysian outfits and mingling and exchanging cards with your senators and your leadership. Let's wait and see what happens but we need people to enforce laws and maintain economic parity for our citizens.

I like this point ! Many Palauans are afraid of their own shadows because they lack education. Ignorance breeds fear and paranoia. In the process, the ignorant falls to the bottom of society's ladder and blame everyone for their ills.

Work hard for your education and so you can benefit from foreign investors. Quit blaming government for your problems and fears.

We should not be afraid of foreign investors - who needs enemies with friends like JT.

Many Palauans are not afraid of their shadows. Bolungil Tial Belau - have you ever been to Palau? How does working hard for your education translate to benefitting from foreign investors? I thought it's so Palau can benefit from its own educated human resources. Please enlighten us with your fearless bravado.

legalize gambling and prostitution and the island will party like it's 1999......

The question is, who and where are the foreign investors?

Alii,

Watch where your mouth is. Most likely most of us voted for the OEK members, especially senators and the president who are proposing for increased foreign investors into Palau. Except for senator Toribiong who has made strong strong public opposition to gambling. Let's hope he stays that way. I thought people on this blog were smarter but when the election was getting closer I knew that most people will vote without really connecting candidates to what they stand for and who they really are. Mlib, Hokkons, and Diaz are pro gambling and they were top vote getters so what are we crying about. Oh I better go to work before I lose my job.

Buikbelau

A poster stated that "Open Up Palau" is a good slogan and all I could think of for translation was "Momok" and that does not translate really well, if you know what I mean. "Momok Palau" as in what?? Kedomok a ngered?? E menga ngerang? Belsiich??

Sorry, but there needs to be a tight reign on foreign investors "infesting" the islands. Be careful is my best advice. Know what you are getting into and learn from the experiences of others who have allowed foreign investors to come in and raid what they wanted in land and monopoly and leaving nothing behind.

"Blood knowledge," says D.H. Lawrence. "Oh what a catastrophe for man when he cut himself off from the rhythm of the year, from his unison with the sun and the earth. This is what is wrong with us. We are bleeding at the roots!! "

Opening up Palau to even more foreign investors will spell the demise of Palau period!

Foreign investment is good provided it is controlled especially with the issue of environment and foreign laborers. Strict laws and better enforcement is the key. We can first allow two huge developments (a golf course, a resort village) and than see how they are doing before we accept more. Making sure most business profits stays in Palau, that they pay decent wages to locals, contributes to the local community, buys from locals businesses and local farmers.
I don't want to see over-development in Palau by some greedy politicians who will only serve their own interest and leave the pollution problems to the next generation to bear.

We don't have a choice but to invite investors in, but we have to be selective on the kind of industry and what they may offer us. Our Compact is being reviewed this year and we might not get any extra money from the U.S.

God Bless Palau
got to go.. later

I don\'t know. People are saying that foreign investments are bad but what can Palau do without them? We cannot gather enough money to sustain ourselves by ourselves.

When our Compact dries out, what will keep us going? The thing is that we put ourselves in this situation. The Compact was given to us so that we can self-sustain ourselves by improving necessary areas. We failed clearly and we try to hide it like a big tear in our XXXXL sized pants.

The worldwide economy is not doing well, and we cannot soley rely on tourism to sustain ourselves. We cannot rely on the Compact to keep funding us, it is after all, Palau\'s major source of income, followed distantly by tourism.

So we need foreign investments, we are in so much deep poo right now and the world isn\'t doing so well, I feel we do need to open up more to survive.

A lot of companies merge themselves or cooporate with other companies just to keep operating, we probably have to do similiar actions to keep Palau from turning into a dead debt nation.

You know the old saying, \"A prostitute needs to open up her legs to attract more customers.\" I think this is what Palau needs to do, to really open wide and just take it in.

Do you know what you put behind the ears of a really unattractive prostitute to make her look more appealing? Definitely not her earrings or hair. It is her ankles.

Do you know what the foreign invetor customer said to the Palau Prostitute\'s legs? He said:
\"Nice legs... what time do they open?\"

After the foreign investor customer, whom also was a magician, had his pleasures with the Palauan Prostitute, was so satisfied that he said \"TADAAA!\" and proceeded to pull out a white rabbit from his pants. The Palauan Prostitute was so happy that she said the payment was only...
\"Ngdi tada.\"
He didn\'t understand so he asked her what it meant, and she said: \"It was so magical, that it is Ngdi-TADAAA!\"

Actually, the Palauan Prostitute was so un-impressed by the performance, that she said:
\"Ak meral chesbocheb!\"
The foreign investor demanded what it meant, and then she said:
\"I\'m really BOARD!\"

She left of course, unbeknownst to him, and scribbled a message in Palauan on his bathroom mirror. He read it and quickly translated it to english as:
\"You really eat your fish mother!\" He did not understand it, but it was written in Palauan as:
\"Kom meral mengara ngikel delam!\"

:(

Happy unsober weekend btiches!


Aramid, olei your analogy to make Palau act like a prostitute to bring in investors is pathetic. You started out okay and down the line you lost your common sense. Are you being stupid or just trying to be funny? even your prostitute story did not make sense.

Are we going to be so desperate that we will open-up and let any tom, dick and jerry come in and dirty our island and leave us with little or no money while we're left to bear the consequences. we want the high-end business investors with deep pockets that we can better benefit from.

ma later.

How apt your allegory Aramid. We all do not want to hear bad news about ourselves but we mus hear it like it is to improve ourselves.

I will hold for now and wait for Mosi to come up with something. Mosi, Mosi, where are you?


Betterpalau;

Quite the contrary, the people/tourists who contribute the most to environmental degradation are the HIGHEND TOURISTS-private charter plane to carry just one or two people, charter boat that can carry 15 divers but only two divers/ flush toilets, hair driers, etc, etc, etc. I rather have twelve tom and jerrys than one highender.

I should have dropped the Palauan Prostitute jokes. So let's cut half of my previous comment.

But here is the problem, our major source of income is from the Compact. Tourism is a distant second in terms of income. What should we do?

We don't have a lot of resources that can be exported. We cannot export a lot of Palauan workers as the majority is not adept enough. We don't want to quarry for limestone, bauxite or sand, because they degrade the environment.

All we can provide for now are things to please tourism, such as hotels, tour guide, etc. But since we don't have a solid system for electricity, water, and waste management, all those new hotels and structures are burdening ourselves. There is no way around this one, we sugar coat Palau and forget that we don't have a solid base.

What can we do? We need help. Smart foreign investment is needed. We dug ourselves so deep that we need someone(s) to pull us out. It would be nice to start on those used and inefficient power generators, then water, then waste.

But we know nothing is for free, how can we repay back the investments? Honestly I don't know, I am not a politician or an economist. But I do know we hold voting powers in the UN and we are friends with the U.S. and we support Japan with their whale consumption(research). We have some powers.

Oh and I agree with Uchelmelis' comment, I've seen what some high end tourists do and wow, some of them expected us to act like Friday from Robinson Crusoe. I think having more average joes will yield a more positive impact than a few rich tourists.

It does not have to be that way my friend Aramid.
Investors who invest normally have money and that is why they are investing. They do their home work before proposing to invest. If the sewer system needs to be built they would build it to accomodate their customers. If it's electricity they will insure that the business will have the load to keep it running. It's just up to us to give them some kind of tax break if they are going to do it themselves. Our inspectors will just need to do inspections to make sure it's safe for public safety. So our infrustructures are not really an issue here. It's how much we are willing to give up in order for these things to happen.

Mesulang,

Ah I see, I didn't take those into account, looking back I should have edited more carefully. Thanks Mosi and I look forward to your next comments around the website.

As an American who dreams of setting myself up in a small agricultural enterprise in the Philippines or Palau (Palau has better tax laws...), I feel it only fair to warn of foreign 'investment'. It often takes on the form of 'help' from banks.
Pastor Lindsey Williams knows about this sort of thing, I will post the link to part 4 of a 7 part series, listen carefully for the part about Ferdinand Marcos. You may want to find your way back to part 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5AynkXeNEA&feature=related

STeve:


And you profess to know what is good for us Palauans while running away from your home country because you do not want to pay taxes!!! It is the likes of you who we do not need. Please stay home and pay your damn tax.

Uchelmelis,

Please show me where I professed any such thing. Quote me please.

Also, please show me where I said anything about leaving my home country because of taxes. Again, quote me.


Steve, if you are trying to do business in Palau and want information, you are at the wrong site. Go to Palau Foreign Investment site there's a section of Agriculture and Aquaculture.

Steve,


Your proselytizing by warning us against foreign investment implies that you know what is good for us. ... "setting up myself up in a small agricultural enterprise in the Philippine or Palau" is what you said. Do you mean to tell me you are from PI and Palau? Which is it?

QUESTIONS FOR STEVE


Steve, if you were able to have an agricultural enterprise in Palau, what would your definition of "small agricultural enterprise" be?


How much land do you plan or hope you can utilize? *BY THE WAY, IF YOU ARE NOT PALAUAN, YOU CAN LEASE LAND IN PALAU, BUT YOU CANNOT OWN LAND!*

What produce do you plan to cultivate?

Whom do you plan to employ? Palauans? Philippine Nationals? Bangladesh? WHICHEVER GROUP IS CHEAPER?

How much do you plan to pay your farm hands per hour?

Do you believe in genetic engineering for the sake of improving your plants?
*IF SO...please explain why.
*IF NOT..please explain why.

What pesticides are you planning to use?

Who do you plan to sell your produce too?

Will you be exporting?

DO you already have a partner in Palau?

Q:Steve, if you were able to have an agricultural enterprise in Palau, what would your definition of "small agricultural enterprise" be?
A: This would be limited by my budget, not a big one.

Q:How much land do you plan or hope you can utilize? *BY THE WAY, IF YOU ARE NOT PALAUAN, YOU CAN LEASE LAND IN PALAU, BUT YOU CANNOT OWN LAND!*

A: I know the ownership issue. I would be happy with enough food for me and a few neighbors. Oh, I'll guess a half acre or less to start?

Q:What produce do you plan to cultivate?
A:About this I am in the dark, I'm guessing some things I would like to try wouldn't work there, but I do have tests in mind. The best start would be to grow what already works there. Foods for people and small livestock.

Q:Whom do you plan to employ? Palauans? Philippine Nationals? Bangladesh? WHICHEVER GROUP IS CHEAPER?
A: I suppose those who would want to work. Am I correct in inferring that there is an immigrant labor issue there? I would hope to get local advice, wouldn't want to necessarily pay someone just to see the money sent offshore, like that Indian store owner I read about.

Q:How much do you plan to pay your farm hands per hour?
A: I don't know, but I am a realist...we work not just to fix our torn work clothes, right? I would need help determining this too. I would pay in food too if appropriate.

Q:Do you believe in genetic engineering for the sake of improving your plants?
*IF SO...please explain why.
*IF NOT..please explain why.
A: Absolutely not. That stuff is POISON. The GMO foods kill all the test animals it's fed to. Bad news.

Q:What pesticides are you planning to use?
A: None artificial. Did you know that fenugreek seed extract kills ants? Stuff like that.

Q:Who do you plan to sell your produce too?
A: Locals. I would be happy with trade, the currency paradigm is going to hell in a handbasket LOL.

Q:Will you be exporting?
A: When I am convinced that my neighbors have enough to eat. In short, I doubt it.

Q:DO you already have a partner in Palau?
A: No.

About proselytizing: what I warned about is bad for EVERYBODY, not just Palauans. You are not being singled out. I am in USA. The tax law comment refers to Phils tax law vs Palau tax law.

Haole Steve
hey, isn't haole a Hawaiian word?

“Haole” is a Hawaiian term which as been “lost in translation”. Loosely interpreted, it means, "no breath”. It does not mean "Caucasian" or “White”. However, it has been used to describe the Caucasian race because Caucasians were the first to trade with the Hawaiians and they did not utilize the “honi”. “Honi” is the act of greeting a person by coming face to face, pressing your noses together, and breathing in each other’s breath. It is similar to the Maori form of greeting. Since the Caucasians who landed on Hawaii did not utilize the “honi” to greet people, the Hawaiians called them “Haole” – meaning, people who do not use the “honi”. So, realistically, anyone who does not use the “honi” is a HAOLE. An easy definition is “foreigner”, but the term then loses its true meaning.

I will be back later to address your answers as I am short on time.

Steve,

After reading your latest blog you are sounding more and more like a Steve that use to work for KSG- A SKINFLINT, who did not wish to be paid by check but demanded that he paid cash so that IRS would not trace his income. Are you that Steve now living in Japan, teaching english to the locals? If not my apology but I cannot help when you sound like him.

Good luck with your farm and bartering plan in the Phillipines because it wont work here in Belau.

Never been to Japan or Palau.Different Steve. Usually the payment arrangement you describe comes with a benefit also to the employer, such as a reduced rate of pay. I don't blame other Steve, The IRS is a vampire.

Hey now, I have a question..foreign investment..we got these guys from Malaysia coming in. I read something about agricultural trade? I dunno, maybe it's my ignorance combined with a healthy dose of suspicion...it isn't like Palau has hundreds of square miles of easily farmed rolling plains, so what are these guys after?

I wonder if, stuffed beneath the surface of talk about agriculture , is something about mineral rights.

Hard to believe that they want only trade, and agricultural at that. Something else is being swapped here, and when politicians go en masse to another place on 'business', body fluids won't be the only swap going on....Are they gonna bring their wives to Malaysia too?

I say that if all 16 governors go to Malaysia, SOMEBODY in a group that size is gonna do something for which they can be BLACKMAILED and their 'views' will be told to them from a foreign capitol. Happens here all the time.

Who holds Palauan mineral rights anyhow? I pray it's the people and not your banks. Still gotta read up on the PSB scandal. Banks and scandal, what a surprise....not


Ha! What mineral rights?

Oh no...I hope those didn't get signed away....

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't there bauxite and phosphate there? I seem to remember another poster referencing these, saying something to the effect that he didn't want to work these mines on Palau. I have on occasion gotten my wires crossed about details, could it be the Folgers? LOL

Hey betterpalau,

Quote: Steve, if you are trying to do business in Palau and want information, you are at the wrong site. Go to Palau Foreign Investment site there's a section of Agriculture and Aquaculture.

I went to the only site I could find, I registered but it seems to be largely useless. Do you have a link?

Lol Steve, you have caused quite a stir.

I am not "afraid of" foreign investors, I am just a bit leery of them because they're only there to invest(more like, consume)what they can out of the environment, and out of the island economy.

But carry on with Steve, cause I think he sounds like he has been checking up on things.

Once again, watch out for foreigners who may know more than you do about the land, it's deposits, it's potentials, etc.

Morchedemiu mora library...alits.

TO: Steve, interesting posts,

Haole in the Hawaiian language, means foreign or foreigner. It is the Hawaiian word for a foreigner or a very caucasian person who is not native to the Hawaiian Islands. ( google it)

Steve, if there was green light to start a business in Palau, please explain why of all things you choose agriculture?


TEST...i have tried posting twice before and it didn't stay.


Sorry, I think I figured it out.

La-di-da...
Be afraid, be VERY afraid.
Look what happened to Nauru...stripped of minerals and now dependent upon Australia for 'aid' as restitution for the damage. Is this siukang on a global scale? Nawww, it's WORSE, creates a welfare mentality. Where's Surech?

MI,

I think agriculture is miraculous, and I'm not talking about the industry itself, but the fact that our flesh is sustained by water, light, gas and dust all put into these beautiful reactors God gives us to look at.

Then there's the econo-political part of it. In this 'global economy' (FREE trade sux btw, fair trade is better) nations are presently controlled by oil, but food had ALWAYS been used to control nations and INDIVIDUALS. It's a liberty issue. The Kulaks (Russian Mennonites) resisted Stalin's dictums for as long as they did because they COULD, they raised all their own food until they were finally ripped off. The big Ethiopia famine in 1984 wasn't about drought, but the withholding of food. The Russians got the last of the guns from anti-communist resisters in Cuba by offering to trade guns-for-food (they had a stranglehold on the warehouses of food). Would the Russians have been able to do this if there were food growing all over the countryside? Nope.


To add, I'm not the kind to send someone away who might need food, maybe that's an additional spiritual component.

Not whoring my yahoo group here, the subject after all IS agriculture...

http://tech.groups.yahoo .com/group/Philagnexus/ ?yguid=188028273

Maybe it wont let me post a link, tried 3 times, you're gonna have to paste the parts...sorry

Cruise the messages, All are welcome to join. Not monetized. Maybe it'll give you a peek into my coffee-addled brain :D

Does anyone raise hogs? Check Paul's Jatrophaphillipinesmalunggay group.


Maybe irrelevant to this thread, but I feel in my gut the need to post it.

With QUALIFICATIONS : I understand hatred of Haoles. Funny coming from Haole Steve here, but I can't ignore history. No, I'm not a guilt-ridden white liberal.

The United States ownership of Hawaii was a military takeover. Most territory in the USA was acquired through deception and similar military operation. The Americans deceptively inserted themselves into the Philippines.

Now the qualification: what I don't understand is how individuals who had NOTHING to do with these takeovers have become objects of hatred.

I understand the suspicion of 'haoles taking over', since this seems to be the method of Empire: Americans settle here and there, establish a presence, and their continued presence later on justifies acquisition of various sovereign territories.

Solution? How about non(fill in the blank: Mexicans, Palauans, Hawaiians pre 1898, Filipinos) be given a time limit to completely renounce their citizenship of origin?

Hitler learned alot from the Americans, got alot of his eugenicist ideas by studying our dealings with the Native Americans. Didn't he use ethnic Germans in other countries as pretext for invasion?

Good to be suspicious. Uchelmelis, in other posts I was being a smartass about your Haole comment, but after a bit I thought it over and I maybe should have moderated my sarcastic tone. One of my glaring flaws: it is hard to resist being sarcastic.

If this posted twice, my apologies. Having trouble here....

Maybe irrelevant to this thread, but I feel in my gut the need to post it.

With QUALIFICATIONS : I understand hatred of Haoles. Funny coming from Haole Steve here, but I can't ignore history. No, I'm not a guilt-ridden white liberal.

The United States ownership of Hawaii was a military takeover. Most territory in the USA was acquired through deception and similar military operation. The Americans deceptively inserted themselves into the Philippines.

Now the qualification: what I don't understand is how individuals who had NOTHING to do with these takeovers have become objects of hatred.

I understand the suspicion of 'haoles taking over', since this seems to be the method of Empire: Americans settle here and there, establish a presence, and their continued presence later on justifies acquisition of various sovereign territories.

Solution? How about non(fill in the blank: Mexicans, Palauans, Hawaiians pre 1898, Filipinos) be given a time limit to completely renounce their citizenship of origin?

Hitler learned alot from the Americans, got alot of his eugenicist ideas by studying our dealings with the Native Americans. Didn't he use ethnic Germans in other countries as pretext for invasion?

Good to be suspicious. Uchelmelis, in other posts I was being a smartass about your Haole comment, but after a bit I thought it over and I maybe should have moderated my sarcastic tone. One of my glaring flaws: it is hard to resist being sarcastic.

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